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Erik Nordheim's avatar

I think it’s odd lawmakers openly indicate they would/should vote their own beliefs over their voters where/when they differ. Maybe there’s a language barrier happening. To me, the politician’s entire job is to represent their constituency and not themself. For example, Senator Lindsey Graham here in America doesn’t like President Trump. Yet most people in his state love President Trump, so Mr. Graham supports Mr. Trump. He has to or he’d be out of a job.

One problem I see with wanting lower immigration is the negative feedback of too low immigration might operate on a longer time horizon than the election cycles. I don’t think many people alive today know why countries like Germany started bringing in so many immigrants in the 1960s and 1970s. Nor do they know why asylum policy was enacted. So populists can run on this and be disruptive and then when it’s a terrible idea they never face the consequences.

Another problem with wanting lower immigration is the people might actually want fewer immigrants. By that I mean removing immigrants (mass deportations). We see this historically with anti-Chinese sentiment in cities like Seattle and San Francisco. Alcohol prohibition in America was also maybe partially motivated by anti-Catholic (Irish/Italian) sentiment. Liberia was founded as a place to “return” African slaves. Plus before Indian schools we had the “Trail of Tears.”

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Bryan Caplan has written about the irrationality of voters in his book The Myth of the Rational Voter, and Jason Brennan discusses the stupidity and sheer ignorance of voters in his book Against Democracy. There is also a well-developed literature on rational ignorance, notably by Ilya Somin. This line of thinking has deep roots in American libertarian thought—and, importantly, they are mostly right.

Additionally, there is Larry Bartels’ book Democracy for Realists, which examines how voters actually behave.

Conventional theory (folk theory):

Voters know their interests.

They gather information.

They evaluate party platforms and policies.

They vote for the candidate or party closest to their preferences.

Achen & Bartels’ findings:

Most voters have low political knowledge.

They cannot accurately describe party positions.

They rarely change their vote based on specific policy issues.

👉 Bottom line: Voters do not behave like rational, well-informed decision-makers.

🪧 2. People vote based on group identity, not issue positions

Party identification functions like a social identity (e.g., religion, ethnicity, class), not just a bundle of policy preferences.

People adopt opinions that align with their group, rather than choosing groups based on their prior beliefs.

Voting becomes a way of expressing loyalty to one’s “team” rather than evaluating policy platforms.

🧭 Example:

A voter who identifies as conservative or Christian is likely to support the right-wing party even if they disagree on certain policy points—because group loyalty outweighs issue divergence.

If average voters were fully in charge, we would not have institutions like the WTO or the EU, nor would we see a relatively smaller state or freer markets in the U.S.

I think elites are, for the most part, correct in being free-market friendly and socially liberal.

There is no democratic solution here, given the practical realities of how politics actually works. No American voter supported the consequences of the Hart-Cellar Act—the legislators themselves believed it was merely a mild immigration reform—but it ended up transforming U.S. demographics and contributing to the "Brazilianization" of America.

I think the issue is that elites don’t feel the consequences of their policies the way the working class does. For example, white liberals often flee non-white neighborhoods—even more so than white conservatives—and live in gated communities, employing non-white nannies, while remaining insulated from immigrant-related crime.

Also, there is likely a genetic component. At least in the U.S., and in my opinion in Europe as well, elite types tend to be genetically predisposed toward liberalism, especially social liberalism. Even conservative elites in America are often uncomfortable with Trump and only support and vote for him covertly.

I think the issue of immigration is different from any other issue—such as housing, inflation, or taxation. Immigration has deeper cultural, demographic, and long-term societal implications. We need to convince a segment of the elite about the seriousness of immigration issues, as well as related problems like wokeness, which is becoming increasingly polarizing and fracturing society.

Recently, Nathan Cofnas wrote a compelling article laying out a pathway to achieve this. But with the ongoing influx of immigrants, it is becoming increasingly difficult to reach a societal consensus.

I believe there is a need for consensus on this issue—something akin to what we see in Denmark, to some degree.

LINKS

*https://ncofnas.com/p/beating-woke-with-facts-and-logic

* ON BIOLOGY OF POLITICAL DIFFERENCES -https://www.amazon.com/Predisposed-Liberals-Conservatives-Political-Differences/dp/0415535875

P S - Also, there is literature suggesting people choose party first and adjust views later.

* https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268120303413

* https://ed.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/party_over_policy_0.pdf

* https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annurev-psych-030424-122723

* https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797618805420

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